Ep 180 Stephen Kotkin on Endgames in Ukraine

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Stephen Kotkin, Kleinheinz Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, joins the show to discuss how both sides have lost the Ukraine War, and the risks of various routes to peace. • Times • • 02:47 Pressuring Putin • • 12:50 A new path • • 17:07 Avoiding a debacle • • 32:43 Friends • • 38:30 Realignment • • 46:58 Articulating strategy

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