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Astrology and Ancient Philosophy
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A discussion about the relationship between astrology, philosophy, and religion in ancient times, focusing primarily on Greco-Roman world in classical antiquity, with Dr. Justin Sledge and Chris Brennan. • Our main focus is on discussing the ways in which astrology influenced some of the different philosophical and religious schools in the Greco-Roman world, from the Hellenistic era through the time of the Roman Empire and into the early Medieval period. • We also discuss questions like what was the philosophy underlying the practice of astrology in antiquity? To what extent did ancient astrologers articulate a personal philosophy? What was the purpose of practicing astrology in the ancient world? • During the course of the discussion we ended up touching on topics such as what is the mechanism underlying astrology (whether it works through signs or causes), issues surrounding fate, free-will, determinism, as well as the role of various schools such as Platonism, Aristotelianism, Stoicism, Hermeticism, Gnosticism, Christianity, and more. • This was originally an interview for Justin's Esoterica YouTube channel, where he interviewed Chris based on his book Hellenistic Astrology: The Study of Fate and Fortune, but afterward we agreed to release the discussion as an episode of The Astrology Podcast simultaneously because it ended up being such a fantastic discussion that is very relevant to both of our audiences. • Justin's YouTube channel: • / @theesotericachannel • This is episode 316 of The Astrology Podcast: • https://theastrologypodcast.com/2021/... • Chris' book Hellenistic Astrology: The Study of Fate and Fortune: • https://www.amazon.com/Hellenistic-As... • Please be sure to like and subscribe! • #TheAstrologyPodcast • Timestamps • 00:00:00 Intro • 00:05:50 The Hellenistic World • 00:07:50 Astrology and coping philosophies • 00:08:50 Mundane astrology • 00:09:18 First birth charts dating to 410 BCE • 00:13:57 How a Hellenistic astrologer would define astrology • 00:19:00 Fate in the Hellenistic world • 00:21:33 Stoic philosophy and Hellenistic astrology • 00:29:02 Internal and External Fate in Astrology • 00:32:20 Impact of Plato's Timaeus and Myth of Er on astrology • 00:39:20 Names of gods applied to planets • 00:47:21 Astrology of causes: Aristotle and Ptolemy • 00:56:00 Stoic eternal recurrence model of the universe • 00:58:16 Ptolemy and determinism • 01:02:55 Backlash against determinism from Christianity • 01:16:10 How Justin would teach Greek philosophy • 01:18:10 How astrology was used to justify the birth of Jesus • 01:20:00 The birth chart of Jesus controversy • 01:21:30 Length of life technique • 01:24:10 Astrological magic tradition • 01:28:05 Increase in popularity of astrology • 01:33:24 St. Augustine's criticism of astrology • 01:38:12 Different levels of astrology in society • 01:39:38 Ronald Reagan's astrologer • 01:40:40 Levels of magic in society • 01:43:30 Technical Hellenistic manuals translated into verse • 01:44:55 Lost 1st century BCE source texts • 01:47:33 Astrological texts in verse • 01:53:34 Dorotheus verse example • 01:55:10 Origins of horary astrology • 02:02:15 Astrology straddling line between science and religion • 02:05:03 Astrology a practical technology • 02:06:40 Future discussion: philosophical challenges to astrology • 02:07:29 21st century practice of astrology • 02:08:11 Addressing ancient skeptical critiques of astrology • 02:14:20 Closing Remarks
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